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Subject: IP: Re: proving guilt
>From: "Andrew Grosso" <Agrosso@worldnet.att.net> >To: <farber@cis.upenn.edu> >Subject: Re: proving guilt >Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:42:11 -0500 > >As a former federal prosecutor, I read Russ' comments with some interest. I >agree with his ultimate conclusions but differ with the logic he uses to get >to them. > >Put simply, tracing a computer crime to one person, and proving that what he >did is a crime, posses difficulties which are common to many other >categories of crimes, both reactive and white collar. For example, the >very first jury trial I prosecuted concerned a bank robbery where none of >the five witnesses could identify the perpetrator, and where I had no >photograph or finger print evidence. The proof consisted of a large number >of indicators each of which pointed to the defendant. Taken individually, >none of them could prove the defendant did it; taken together, they >demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that no one else could have committed >the offense. > >A more serious problem is defining what constitutes a "computer crime," and >what constitutes a serious computer crime worth prosecuting. The court >dockets are growing with examples of people, usually young ones, who pull >pranks or otherwise explore or push the limits of computer technology, and >are then charged with or investigated for the crime of the century. >Examples which quickly come to mind are LaMachia, Neidorf, Kaspureff, >Thomas, Zimmermann. Activity which would barely merit a glance from a >police officer becomes the subject of Department of Justice press releases >and arrest warrants simply because a computer or the Internet is involved. > >Now, Congress is getting into the Act: the No Electronic Theft Act, the >amendments to the Computer Crime and Abuse Act, the Digital Millennium >Copyright Act, the Economic Espionage Act . . . . Each makes it easier for >law enforcement to prosecute a crime on the Net, but does it a way which >loosens the definition of what is a crime. Freedoms and the exercise of >individuality are no less precious because they are enjoyed on the Internet >than in a public park. Chilling the exercise of intellectual freedom is not >the way to add safety to the Internet, and creating felons out of curious >high school kids who explore the limits of computer security are not the >wisest means of building the new world. > >I suggest that it is incumbent upon the computer community to insure that >criminalized conduct be limited to conduct that needs to be criminalized, >and that the state does not water down its definitions of felony crimes to >anything that proscribes what is merely inconvenient, or is curiosity which >has gotten out of control, as the unintended consequence of trying to make >it easier for law enforcement to prove their cases. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Farber <farber@cis.upenn.edu> >To: ip-sub-1@majordomo.pobox.com <ip-sub-1@majordomo.pobox.com> >Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 5:53 AM >Subject: IP: proving guilt > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:27:09 -0500 > >From: Russ <Russ.Cooper@rc.on.ca> > >Subject: Re: Melissa perpetrator faces five years in prison (RISKS-20.68) > >IMO, there many risks that the case against Mr. Smith for Melissa may > >bring to reality. > >1. That a GUID may be accepted in court as a "signature" uniquely > >identifying a particular human being. At best the GUID is circumstantial, > >and it is far to easy to show GUIDs belonging to others (mistakenly or > >intentionally) resident on your machine. > >2. That it may be accepted as possible to prove the route which a >particular > >virus has traveled to get to the point where its deemed "in the wild", and > >presumably therefore actionable, solely on the basis of computer evidence. > >2a. What is the crime? Making the virus, or releasing it "in the wild"? > >Surely making a virus is not a crime, so the test comes down to proving who > >released it "in the wild". Since that action must be done with intent, > >computer data alone, demonstrating that a particular file originated from a > >particular disk, still does not prove intent. If I were to co-opt Peter's > >machine and use it to send a virus to a Usenet list, should Peter be held > >liable for the damages of the virus? > >2b. How is it proven? Computer data is malleable, and while Word documents > >may store revision information, and even information from RAM totally > >unrelated to the original document, it is possible that all of that > >information can be placed into another file either in addition to, or > >replacing, the 2nd document's original information. As such, its again > >circumstantial evidence of origin and even ownership. > >It is quite easy to villainize virus writers and infectors in the same way > >"two Arab men" were responsible for the Oklahoma bombing. An entire >industry > >is available for testimony as to the damage suffered by Corporate America > >every day as a result of the actions of the few virus writers. The NIPC, >and > >therefore the FBI, are desperate to show they have the savvy to catch > >Cyber-criminals and justify their stance and actions. > >IOWs, there's a significant weight against Mr. Smith if we allow >prosecution > >testimony to go unchallenged for the vapor-thoughts it may well be. It must > >be shown that such conclusions, based solely on computer data, can easily >be > >manufactured against anyone. > >I have thought long and hard about how it may be possible to prove an > >individual is guilty of a particular computer crime. A confession, today, > >could be given simply to garner the publicity and reap the benefits after > >the jail term is served (do you think any conference would not pay to have > >Mr. Smith talk after he was released, if he could speak intelligibly? > >... book deals ... guest spots ...) Criminals used to take the rap and not > >talk in order to get the loot when they were released ...;-] > >Without another human being present during each of the steps required to > >release a virus into the wild with malicious or harmful intent, a >conviction > >on circumstantial computer evidence would lead to many serious problems, > >IMO. > >If the above evidence, assuming its present and the basis of the case > >against Mr. Smith, is accepted in court and the jury finds its credible, it > >will be far too easy to convict innocent individuals of computer crimes in > >the future. > >Smith may well be guilty, and he is not my focus here. We must ensure that > >his conviction does not establish the wrong precedence's, lest we give the > >"enemy" the ammunition to get each and every one of us convicted of > >something, somewhere, based on the same quality of evidence. > >I remind you that I, like most of you, have not seen the evidence against > >Mr. Smith and this is based solely on the media reports about its content > >... therefore, I may be totally off-base ... but the risk is real no >matter. > >Russ - NTBugtraq Editor > > > > > >
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