[IP] Dave, why do the IP consider recognition of cr eationism in a fewschool districts so

[David Farber <dave@farber.net>]

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Subject:	Dave, why do the IP consider recognition of creationism in a fewschool districts so
Author:	"Munro, Neil" <NMunro@nationaljournal.com>
Date:		12th February 2005 5:19:59 pm

 
much more offensive than the crummy math & science scores among so many poor and middle-class Americans? Or the declining number of Americans going into the sciences and engineering? Or, more broadly, why care about Kansas schools when there are so many greater horrors, such as  global warming, genocide in Sudan, President Bush, war, AIDS, etc.  
 
I'm not defending or attacking creationism, just trying to find out why your folks care so much about the policy of a school board in Kansas. 
 
Neil 

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>> Subject: Re: Creationists take their challenge to evolution theory into
>> theclassroom
>> Author: David Byrden <iplist@byrden.com>
>> Date: 12th February 2005 1:26:23 pm
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>> ...
>
>> I think my approach should be used to deflate the Creationists such as
>> Mr. Harris, who said:
>>
>>  >> "There are creation myths on both sides. Which one do you teach?"
>>
>> Mr. Harris is wrong; there are more than two sides. Every religion has a
>> different creation myth.
>
> And Christianity has at least two: Adam and Eve created simultaneously vs.
> Eve created out of Adam's side; they're both in Genesis 1.  This is
> well known to every serious student of religion, or, for that matter,
> to anyone who simply reads that book.
>
>> If the Creationists force Creation to be taught in
>> schools, the schools should teach every single creation myth from
>> cultures all around the world. This would leave no time for any science
>> in science class - thus making a point - and would undermine the
>> students'
>> unthinking acceptance of Christianity.
>
> Or at least undermine their unthinking acceptance of some particular
> sect's interpretation of Genesis as representing Christianity.  After all,
> when did Bishop Ussher's dating of Creation to 4004 BC
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher
>
> become more important than the Sermon on the Mount or the parable
> of the Good Samaritan?
>
> David has said what I haven't seen many people say: the response that
> will succeed to a creationist attack on evolution is not to circle the
> wagons around evolution or even around science.  It is to counterattack
> against the creationists' version of religion and Christianity.
>
> This isn't something that many of us particularly want to do;
> science isn't about attacking religion; it is about science.
> However, this isn't science; it is politics.  What creationists
> believe and teach in their own homes and churches is their affair.
> But when they interject their dogma into public school systems as fact,
> they expose it for critical examination, not to mention ridicule.
>
>> David
>
> -jsq

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