[IP] more on Nader's at it again

[David Farber <dave@farber.net>]

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From: Michael Kende <mkende@mac.com>
Date: February 18, 2007 8:50:00 PM EST
To: dave@farber.net
Subject: Fwd: [IP] more on Nader's at it again

One of the main talking points of the Nader campaign was that the  
Democrats are no different than the Republicans, and that seems to be  
reflected in this post.  As it happens, we have a counterfactual to  
the election results of 2000 - while Bush does nothing about  
Greenhouse gases and his Vice President derides conservation as  
nothing more than a personal virtue, Gore arguably does more than  
anyone to make global warming a mainstream concern.  The fact that  
Nader was representing the Green party in his endeavor is almost a  
painful irony.  And while the rich and corporate folk of the  
Republican party help to deliver themselves large tax cuts at the  
expense of our children, the rich and corporate Democrats did not do  
that under Clinton, would not have done it under Gore, and would not  
have done it under Kerry (whose family would obviously gain the most  
from repealing the "death tax").  So while it is true that both  
parties need to raise money, and rich and corporate folk have more of  
that than anyone else, it is clearly towards different ends.  Indeed,  
if the premise of the post were true, people would be less concerned  
over which party is in office than in earlier days, but that is  
hardly the case.

Michael


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> From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>
> Date: February 18, 2007 6:49:50 PM EST
> To: dave@farber.net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Nader's at it again
>
> Since when are Democrats in the 21st century viewing themselves as
> politically progressive?  Nader can only be a spoiler if he actually
> has an attractive set of ideas, which he seems to.
>
> Severo's kind of attack on Nader just shows how self-hating and right-
> wing modern Democrats have become, perhaps starting with Clinton.
>
> The sad truth is that the Democrats have become just another party of
> the rich and corporate folks inside the beltway. Folks who think
> liking rock and roll makes them hip, and who have adopted the same
> sorry schemes that confuse distributing wealth and power held by
> individuals with commonwealth and common welfare held by society.
>
> David Farber wrote:
> > Begin forwarded message:
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> > From: Severo Ornstein <severo@poonhill.com>
> > Date: February 16, 2007 11:41:39 AM EST
> > To: Recipient List Suppressed: ;
> > Subject: Nader's at it again
> >
> > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/15/
> > BAGUCO5CPL10.DTL
> >
> > Ralph Nader, whom many of us hold responsible for bringing us Bush
> > et al, is threatening to repeat his maniacal blunder. Knowing when
> > to compromise in order to inch closer to your goals is the essence
> > of wisdom. Intransigence such as Nader's is sheer egotism. The
> > country has paid an enormous price because too many liberals were
> > equally intransigent and saw Nader as their hero. If you're one of
> > those, shame on you - and if he runs, don't make the same mistake
> > again. Many Democrats deserve to be chastised, and I'm all for his
> > leaning on them and shoving them toward more progressive policies.
> > But in running as a presidential candidate all he can possibly do
> > is help the Republicans by bleeding off Democratic votes.
> >
> > S.
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