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Subject: [IP] Re: House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites
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From: Lauren Weinstein [lauren@vortex.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:55 PM
To: David Farber
Cc: lauren@vortex.com
Subject: Re: [IP] House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites
Dave,
Just as a data point, it's amusing to note that Google Images returns
over one million hits on "hentai" alone, including a very creative
image I noticed that at first glance appears to be the Thunderbird
mail application icon -- but, uh, on closer inspection, isn't. Many
of these images are very childlike. Would Google need to file a
report for each? Insanity.
Attempts to turn ISPs and other Net-related service providers into
the morality squad on the scale envisioned by that legislation are
simply ludicrous. Protecting children from abuse is one thing, but
the term "overreaching" was tailor-made for these kinds of
essentially political shenanigans.
--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren@vortex.com or lauren@pfir.org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
- People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, NNSquad
- Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org
Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com
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> From: EEkid@aol.com [mailto:EEkid@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:28 PM
> To: dave@farber.net; dfarber@cs.cmu.edu
> Subject: House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites
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> http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9829759-38.html?tag=repblg
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> "Wednesday's vote caught Internet companies by surprise: the Democratic
> leadership rushed the SAFE Act to the floor under a procedure that's
> supposed to be reserved for noncontroversial legislation. It was introduced
> October 10, but has never received even one hearing or committee vote. In
> addition, the legislation approved this week has changed substantially since
> the earlier version
> <http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.03791:> and was not
> available <http://www.downsizedc.org/read_the_laws.shtml> for public
> review.
>
> This is what the SAFE Act requires: Anyone providing an "electronic
> communication service" or "remote computing service" to the public who
> learns about the transmission or storage of information about certain
> illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name, mailing
> address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for Missing
> and Exploited Children's "CyberTipline" and (b) "make a report" to the
> CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about the person or
> Internet address behind the suspect activity and (d) the illegal images
> themselves. (By the way, "electronic communications service" and "remote
> computing service" providers already have some reporting requirements under
> existing law too.) "
>
>
>
> "The definition of which images qualify as illegal is expansive. It includes
> obvious child pornography, meaning photographs and videos of children being
> <http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2252.html> molested. But it also
> includes photographs
> <http://www.news.com/Federal-case-may-redefine-child-porn/2100-1030_3-613952
> 4.html> of fully clothed minors in overly "lascivious" poses, and certain
> obscene visual <http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1466A.html>
> depictions including a "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting." (Yes,
> that covers the subset of anime called hentai
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai> )."
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
> ans-serif";
> color:black'>"Wednesday's vote caught Internet companies by surprise: =
> the
> Democratic leadership rushed the SAFE Act to the floor under a procedure th=
> at's
> supposed to be reserved for noncontroversial legislation. It was introduced
> October 10, but has never received even one hearing or committee vote. In
> addition, the legislation approved this week has changed substantially since
the earlier <a href=3D"http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.037=
> 91:">version</a>
> and was <a href=3D"http://www.downsizedc.org/read_the_laws.shtml";>not avail=
> able
> for public review</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
>
> <p><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:b=
> lack'>This
> is what the SAFE Act requires: Anyone providing an "electronic
> communication service" or "remote computing service" to the
> public who learns about the transmission or storage of information about
> certain illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name,
> mailing address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for
> Missing and Exploited Children's "CyberTipline" and (b) "mak=
> e a
> report" to the CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about
> the person or Internet address behind the suspect activity and (d) the ille=
> gal
> images themselves. (By the way, "electronic communications service&quo=
> t;
> and "remote computing service" providers already have some report=
> ing
> requirements under existing law too.) "<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
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>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
> ans-serif";
> color:black'>"The definition of which images qualify as illegal is
> expansive. It includes obvious child pornography, meaning photographs and
> videos of children <a href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2252.ht=
> ml">being
> molested</a>. But it also includes <a
> href=3D"http://www.news.com/Federal-case-may-redefine-child-porn/2100-1030_=
> 3-6139524.html"
> title=3D"Federal case may redefine child porn -- Thursday, Nov 30, 2006">ph=
> otographs
> of fully clothed minors</a> in overly "lascivious" poses, and cer=
> tain
> <a href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1466A.html";>obscene visual
> depictions</a> including a "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or
> painting." (Yes, that covers the subset of anime called <a
> href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai";>hentai</a>)."<o:p></o:p><=
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