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Subject: [IP] Re: House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites
Begin forwarded message: From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren@vortex.com> Date: December 7, 2007 1:16:21 PM EST To: dave@farber.net Cc: lauren@vortex.comSubject: Re: [IP] Re: House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites
Dave,The fact that the legislation doesn't require proactive monitoring by the
service provider doesn't eliminate the inherent overreaching. The bill would require a whole set of actions by a service provider whenever they were "informed" that materials covered by the legislation were being displayed. So, using the Google Images example again, if a group of people went digging through the million-plus hentai images present there, and started sending bulk notices to Google about thousands of cartoon images that the group deemed to be in violation, the manual administrative burden on Google (or other services) could be enormous, even if most of the drawings in question were later determined not to actually be in violation. Google might take the tack that their thumbnail images as search results references are exempt from such a law, but this takes us into a complex area that has already seen litigation and is likely to see much more. The chilling effect on services like Google Images from the risks involved from the new legislation (if it becomes law) could likely be very significant nonetheless. Good intentions (stopping actual child abuse and c-porn) can rapidly escalate into a range of presumably unintended negative consequences when the associated legislation is written too broadly and without significant prior input from the Internet community and the public at large. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren@vortex.com or lauren@pfir.org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, NNSquad - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com - - -
________________________________________ From: Declan McCullagh [declan@well.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:40 AM To: David FarberSubject: Re: [IP] Re: House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sitesDave, My colleague George Ou (who works down the hall from me) is correct to say that there's no mandatory reporting requirement; nobody ever saidthere was. Well, okay, there was a Slashdot headline that may have beenless than precise. But that headline shouldn't let make us conclude that this bill is entirely benign. It amends existing law, which already contains some reporting requirements, to make them significantly more extensive. Anyone who offers an "electronic communication service" or "remote computing service" to the public who learns about the transmission or storage of information about certain illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name, mailing address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's"CyberTipline" and (b) "make a report" to the CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about the person or Internet address behind thesuspect activity and (d) the illegal images themselves. One of the odder things in it -- which appeared at the last minute without any committee hearings -- is its requirement (punishable by fines of up to $300,000) for an ISP, email provider, social networkingwebsite, etc. to retain all the suspect's personal files if the illegalimages are "commingled or interspersed" with other data. If it would create an "undue hardship" to provide those files to NCMEC, then those data must be retained indefinitely for eventual police inspection. The bill also authorizes NCMEC to share its database of child pornography images with ISPs and e-mail providers to be used in a waythat would "stop the further transmission of images." One way that wouldwork would be to scan e-mail attachments and, where technologicallypossible, network connections. Neither that nor the "commingled" storagerequirement seem to be unworthy of discussion. Here's a response I posted this evening from the bill's author: http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9830648-38.html -Declan -------------------------------------------
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