[IP] Good Answer to Good question A bunch of comments on Apple Adds Still More DRM to iPod Shuffle - The Value Chain Again

[David Farber <dave@farber.net>]

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From: Tracy Hall <tracy.hall@alum.mit.edu>
Date: March 15, 2009 7:47:05 PM EDT
To: dave@farber.net
Subject: Re: [IP] Good question  A bunch of comments on Apple Adds  
Still More DRM to iPod Shuffle - The Value Chain Again


David;
If Apple follows Nintendo's lead, there *is* a precedence: copyright.   
The copy-protection that the original Nintendo games used was simply a  
device that contained a string, which Nintendo had the copyright to.

Regardless of *how* the device is reverse-engineered and implemented,  
it still needs to present the string to validate - which violates  
copyright.  Another advantage is copyrights last for *much* longer  
than patents...

Tracy Hall
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----- Original Message ----
> From: David Farber <dave@farber.net>
> To: ip <ip@v2.listbox.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 4:29:46 PM
> Subject: [IP] Good question  A bunch of comments on Apple Adds Still  
> More DRM to iPod Shuffle - The Value Chain Again
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "David P. Reed"
> Date: March 15, 2009 7:27:55 PM EDT
> To: dave@farber.net
> Cc: ip
> Subject: Re: [IP] A bunch of comments on Apple Adds Still More DRM  
> to iPod
> Shuffle - The Value Chain Again
>
> Dave -
>
> On what basis would Apple be able to extract a royalty?  There is  
> likely no
> patent, no copyright, no trade secret here.  Reverse engineering  
> should be quite
> simple - just take apart the earphones and measure the various  
> electrical
> properties.
>
> There doesn't even seem to be a rationale for Apple to pursue DMCA  
> remedies -
> for that you need "copyright" rights on something, perhaps microcode.
>
> I must be missing something here on this one.  This is just a small  
> barrier to
> entry of the sort that every company tries to erect wherever it can  
> - like the
> non-standardized power plugs on nearly all non-Apple laptops, which  
> are used to
> extract extra profit, but are hardly illegal uses of monopoly power.
>
> - David
>
> David Farber wrote:
> > The real issue is will the earphone venders have to py a royalty to  
> > Apple for
> usng their interface?
> > djf
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: Ari Ollikainen
> > Date: March 15, 2009 12:40:53 PM EDT
> > To: dave@farber.net
> > Subject: Re: [IP] Re:   A bunch of comments on Apple Adds Still  
> > More DRM to
> iPod Shuffle - The Value Chain Again
> >   Add to all that a touch of reality:
>
> >   I happen to like my 3rd Gen shuffle ( I needed new earphones  
> > anyway...).
> >
> >
> >                                   - - -
> >
> > "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick  
> > themselves
> > up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."    --Winston Churchill
> >
> >
> >
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