[IP] re TSA overreaction to Delta incident

Dave,

For what it's worth, I'm often quoted as the original author of the
"chain naked passengers to their seats" line. I see I used it right
here in IP over five years ago during another spasm of TSA security
escalation:

http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200505/msg00278.html

As for Wendy's seemingly reasonable idea about making more fire
extinguishers available ... well, now, after all, fire extinguishers
can also be used as *weapons* ... right? Can't take that risk, eh?

Rumor is this guy may have been hiding his incendiary in his clothing.
Better pray it wasn't in his underwear, given how TSA reacted to the
"wannabe shoe bomber" case.

Of couse, what TSA really wants to do is eventually force everyone
into full body millimeter or "soft x-ray" scanners. Just a "little"
more radiation. Nothing to worry about.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren@vortex.com
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
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Co-Founder, PFIR
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On 12/26 14:01, Dave Farber wrote:

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Wendy M. Grossman" <wendyg@pelicancrossing.net>

Date: December 26, 2009 1:49:46 PM EST

To: dave@farber.net

Subject: Re: [IP] TSA overreaction to Delta incident

(For IP if you like)

Given that the biggest hazard posed by yesterday's attacker seems to

have been the flames, wouldn't the most logical response be to make

fire extinguishers more readily accessible throughout the cabin?

wg

Dave Farber wrote:

Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Kris Gabor <kgabor@aol.com <mailto:kgabor@aol.com>>

*Date:* December 26, 2009 1:21:16 PM EST

*To:* <mailto:dave@farber.net>dave@farber.net

<mailto:dave@farber.net>

*Subject:* *TSA overreaction to Delta incident*

Hi, Dave,

For IP, if you think it's appropriate. If the following is true,

this is another good example of kneejerk overreaction after a

security incident. There used to be a rule that passengers bound

for DCA had to remain seated during the last 30 minutes of flight,

but even that was scrapped after a few years. Good luck telling

passengers they can't use their laptops or read a book for the

last hour of a flight. As someone had suggested in the wake of

9/11, maybe the best thing would be to strip all the passengers

naked and chain them into their seats for the entire flight.

It's interesting how Air Canada has already posted this, but there

is no official announcement of it yet from TSA. I wonder if after

the initial kneejerk, pragmatism may yet win out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27plane.html

"Although transportation officials had not announced new security

measures yet, Air Canada said the Transportation Security Agency

would make significant changes to the way passengers are able to

move about on aircraft. During the final hour of flight, customers

will have to remain seated, will not be allowed access to carry-on

baggage and cannot have personal belongings or other items on

their laps, according to a notice

<http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/trav_adv/091226.html> on Air

Canada’s Web site.

In effect, that means passengers on flights of about 90 minutes or

less will not be able to get out of their seats, since they are

not allowed to move about while an airplane is climbing to its

cruising altitude.

Air Canada also told its United States bound customers that they

would be limited to a single carry-on item and that they would be

subjected to personal and baggage searches at security check

points and in the gate area. It said this would result in

significant delays, canceled flights and missed connections. Air

Canada said it would waive the baggage fee for the first checked

bag as a result of the new policy."

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